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		<title>Comment on An Open Letter to James McGrath by how to get rid of acne</title>
		<link>http://peterkirby.com/archives/5#comment-28</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 28 May 2011 05:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on An Open Letter to James McGrath by Legal sounds</title>
		<link>http://peterkirby.com/archives/5#comment-27</link>
		<dc:creator>Legal sounds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2011 19:03:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on An Open Letter to James McGrath by Earl Doherty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Earl Doherty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 May 2011 22:17:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, since he couldn’t cope with me in the exchanges over his review of my book on his own blog, Jim McGrath regrettably has had to have recourse to a garbage review on Amazon. The following was the result of his reading 5% of the book, addressing none of the key chapters or issues involving my case, and ignoring the feedback arguments I gave him on the five chapters he did review. He also ignored all of the negative reactions from others on his blog who were less than sympathetic to his rabidly hostile, and usually irrational, treatment of mythicists and mythicism. What he wrote on Amazon he could have written—and would have—even before opening Jesus: Neither God Nor Man. Instead of anything approaching a substantive criticism of my book or parts of my case, which might have given pause to those in doubt, this thoroughly condemnatory and arrogant dismissal has actually demonstrated where is coming from (his resume attached to the review helps make that clear) and the untrustworthiness of any review at his hands or others like him. I ought to thank him for making my point.

“This self-published book contains nothing that someone well-informed about the tools of historical scholarship, ancient Judaism, and/or the New Testament will be able to take seriously. Evidence that runs counter to Doherty&#039;s predetermined conclusion is dismissed or dealt with unpersuasively, in much the manner that conservative Christian apologists deal with evidence that disagrees with their assumptions. Mythicism is to historical scholarship what young-earth creationism is to biology, and this volume is just one disappointing example of it.”

It’s too bad that Jim did not use his “well-informed” knowledge of the tools of historical scholarship to actually refute the arguments I made throughout the book. What he gave us for the first five chapters was simply laughable. (Paul’s readers already knew everything! was a good example. Talk about your “well-informed knowledge”!) Unfortunately, Amazon readers will assume that he read the entire thing, and that he could show that the totality of all the evidence is indeed “dismissed or dealt with unpersuasively.” (In fact, Amazon allows a thousand words, sometimes more, for a review; too bad he didn’t use some to actually demonstrate what he claims.) Jim ought to be ashamed of his own lack of honesty, but he’s in good company, and none of it ever shows any shame. Regrettably, authors don’t have the opportunity to comment or rebut on Amazon itself.

Earl Doherty</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, since he couldn’t cope with me in the exchanges over his review of my book on his own blog, Jim McGrath regrettably has had to have recourse to a garbage review on Amazon. The following was the result of his reading 5% of the book, addressing none of the key chapters or issues involving my case, and ignoring the feedback arguments I gave him on the five chapters he did review. He also ignored all of the negative reactions from others on his blog who were less than sympathetic to his rabidly hostile, and usually irrational, treatment of mythicists and mythicism. What he wrote on Amazon he could have written—and would have—even before opening Jesus: Neither God Nor Man. Instead of anything approaching a substantive criticism of my book or parts of my case, which might have given pause to those in doubt, this thoroughly condemnatory and arrogant dismissal has actually demonstrated where is coming from (his resume attached to the review helps make that clear) and the untrustworthiness of any review at his hands or others like him. I ought to thank him for making my point.</p>
<p>“This self-published book contains nothing that someone well-informed about the tools of historical scholarship, ancient Judaism, and/or the New Testament will be able to take seriously. Evidence that runs counter to Doherty&#8217;s predetermined conclusion is dismissed or dealt with unpersuasively, in much the manner that conservative Christian apologists deal with evidence that disagrees with their assumptions. Mythicism is to historical scholarship what young-earth creationism is to biology, and this volume is just one disappointing example of it.”</p>
<p>It’s too bad that Jim did not use his “well-informed” knowledge of the tools of historical scholarship to actually refute the arguments I made throughout the book. What he gave us for the first five chapters was simply laughable. (Paul’s readers already knew everything! was a good example. Talk about your “well-informed knowledge”!) Unfortunately, Amazon readers will assume that he read the entire thing, and that he could show that the totality of all the evidence is indeed “dismissed or dealt with unpersuasively.” (In fact, Amazon allows a thousand words, sometimes more, for a review; too bad he didn’t use some to actually demonstrate what he claims.) Jim ought to be ashamed of his own lack of honesty, but he’s in good company, and none of it ever shows any shame. Regrettably, authors don’t have the opportunity to comment or rebut on Amazon itself.</p>
<p>Earl Doherty</p>
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		<title>Comment on An Open Letter to James McGrath by James F. McGraths genomgång av Dohertys bok och förvrängning av dennes framställan &#171; Jesus granskad</title>
		<link>http://peterkirby.com/archives/5#comment-25</link>
		<dc:creator>James F. McGraths genomgång av Dohertys bok och förvrängning av dennes framställan &#171; Jesus granskad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 May 2011 21:15:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] åt att bemöta McGraths förvrängning av Dohertys argument. Peter Kirby har på sin blogg skrivit An Open Letter to James McGrath där han anklagar McGrath för att vara oärlig och för att idiotförklara läsarna: ”You seem [...]</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 May 2011 23:47:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on An Open Letter to James McGrath by NateP</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 May 2011 23:34:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First off, I want to thank Peter for providing great resources through his work in biblical studies.  I wrote my masters thesis on the Kingdom concept within the Synoptics, and I made extensive use of Peter&#039;s online compilation of Historical Jesus materials, as well as his online collections of early Christian and Jewish writings.  So thanks man.  Incidentally, through the process of writing my thesis, I lost my personal belief in Jesus, my trust in the historicity of most biblical texts, and any reason to consider seeing biblical studies (if not all theology) as relevant to life in the present day.  So I was wondering where you, Peter, ended up after all your investigation.

Regarding this whole debate/debacle...I think it further shows the irrelevance of Historical Jesus studies to the wider field of ancient history.  Dr. McGrath has repeatedly shown that he&#039;s plays a different game, with different methods and rules, than historians of ancient history do.  Things that constitute historical evidence for him do not for his secular historian counterparts.  Same goes for proper rhetoric and argumentation.  I can only be happy for him that Butler does not read/follow his blog, lest they see that he will not deign to engage in real critical thinking with someone at the other end of the academic spectrum than him.

I do not directly fault Dr. McGrath however.  I think he&#039;s the unwitting victim of a violent machine much larger than himself.  That machine is the Theology Juggernaut.  It&#039;s primary focus, by nature, must be self-preservation, usually in the form of self-legitimization.  Rather than step back outside of all interpretive traditions that came before and truly consider that this whole entity called Christianity was concocted with deceit at its core, the machine MUST continue to remove that one interpretive stance from the table of discussion.  Pretty much all other hermeneutics are fair game, just not the one that questions the legitimacy or relevance of the field itself.  I ultimately don&#039;t know if there may have been a historical Jesus...there very well may have been, but one&#039;s sensitivity to the implications of such a question CANNOT be allowed to change the way they address the question (at least not if they want to refer to their work as &quot;scholarship&quot;).

But let&#039;s not be too hard on McGrath - let&#039;s rather find creative ways to take down the Juggernaut.  I, for one, will never allow it to tell me that I&#039;m silly or ignorant or misguided, when I call the entire system into question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First off, I want to thank Peter for providing great resources through his work in biblical studies.  I wrote my masters thesis on the Kingdom concept within the Synoptics, and I made extensive use of Peter&#8217;s online compilation of Historical Jesus materials, as well as his online collections of early Christian and Jewish writings.  So thanks man.  Incidentally, through the process of writing my thesis, I lost my personal belief in Jesus, my trust in the historicity of most biblical texts, and any reason to consider seeing biblical studies (if not all theology) as relevant to life in the present day.  So I was wondering where you, Peter, ended up after all your investigation.</p>
<p>Regarding this whole debate/debacle&#8230;I think it further shows the irrelevance of Historical Jesus studies to the wider field of ancient history.  Dr. McGrath has repeatedly shown that he&#8217;s plays a different game, with different methods and rules, than historians of ancient history do.  Things that constitute historical evidence for him do not for his secular historian counterparts.  Same goes for proper rhetoric and argumentation.  I can only be happy for him that Butler does not read/follow his blog, lest they see that he will not deign to engage in real critical thinking with someone at the other end of the academic spectrum than him.</p>
<p>I do not directly fault Dr. McGrath however.  I think he&#8217;s the unwitting victim of a violent machine much larger than himself.  That machine is the Theology Juggernaut.  It&#8217;s primary focus, by nature, must be self-preservation, usually in the form of self-legitimization.  Rather than step back outside of all interpretive traditions that came before and truly consider that this whole entity called Christianity was concocted with deceit at its core, the machine MUST continue to remove that one interpretive stance from the table of discussion.  Pretty much all other hermeneutics are fair game, just not the one that questions the legitimacy or relevance of the field itself.  I ultimately don&#8217;t know if there may have been a historical Jesus&#8230;there very well may have been, but one&#8217;s sensitivity to the implications of such a question CANNOT be allowed to change the way they address the question (at least not if they want to refer to their work as &#8220;scholarship&#8221;).</p>
<p>But let&#8217;s not be too hard on McGrath &#8211; let&#8217;s rather find creative ways to take down the Juggernaut.  I, for one, will never allow it to tell me that I&#8217;m silly or ignorant or misguided, when I call the entire system into question.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 May 2011 23:22:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 May 2011 23:05:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 May 2011 23:00:35 +0000</pubDate>
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